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Posted by thizness on 2012-07-23 23:13:54

In Reply to: +1 posted by Cohan sold the Dubz! on 2012-07-23 22:58:57

Obviously there are readily apparent material effects of the death penalty- not the least of which is the death of the prisoner. What I am proposing here (in a very poor adaptation of David Garland) is that the function of the death penalty, the reason why societies insist on it, is symbolic.

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I'm pretty ambivalent on the death penalty, but this guy should get it, no? - buzz 2012-07-23 20:13:18 (147 views)

given what we know about this guy, it seems he is banking on a very long trial/appeals process - Max 2012-07-24 12:23:27 (67 views)

This guy is completely and utterly digusting. - nate 2012-07-24 11:46:34 (84 views)

If a person who's against the death penalty can ever say that in a certain case they're OK with it, - BackseatGM 2012-07-24 11:01:58 (108 views)

Good point - thizness 2012-07-24 17:06:33 (55 views)

If you're really serious about non-violence you aren't going to have a lot of company. - Dick Nikon 2012-07-24 11:50:51 (65 views)

I didn't say anything about non-violence. I'd be more than willing to go to whatever level of - BackseatGM 2012-07-24 14:15:35 (83 views)

Gotcha. I misunderstood. - Dick Nikon 2012-07-24 15:21:34 (58 views)

+1 - live 2012-07-24 11:46:17 (75 views)

it's never that simple... it will cost way more than just simply incarcerating him for life. - shikantaza 2012-07-24 10:29:16 (79 views)

the guy is completely out of his mind. - Lefty 2012-07-24 08:33:06 (63 views)

But there enough to have planned this whole thing out meticulously - buzz 2012-07-24 14:35:06 (66 views)

focusing on the details of the worst crimes is standard cheap rhetoric - CARTIERFROHAWK 2012-07-24 00:02:24 (89 views)

Wrong to say that it has been rejected by other cultures similar to our own. - thizness 2012-07-24 08:38:21 (79 views)

Canada, Mexico, Western Europe and Australia have all dumped it - CARTIERFROHAWK 2012-07-24 17:02:26 (63 views)

You're missing my point. - thizness 2012-07-24 17:52:53 (58 views)

your point converts racial animosity into "democracy" - CARTIERFROHAWK 2012-07-24 20:08:56 (57 views)

It is dangerous to assume that a just society will emerge from democracy alone. - thizness 2012-07-24 22:56:14 (63 views)

I assume that racism and illiteracy will be catered to by the GOP - CARTIERFROHAWK 2012-07-25 00:21:12 (51 views)

Yeah, whatever... more complicated than that for me - buzz 2012-07-24 01:04:13 (91 views)

that "worst of the worst" idea crumbles immediately in practice - CARTIERFROHAWK 2012-07-24 20:15:44 (62 views)

Right on... but this guy? - buzz 2012-07-25 01:23:28 (54 views)

He is not a member of the human race,by his choice. Thus...a varmit,like a rat,a coyote. - rem rehab 2012-07-23 23:11:27 (91 views)

Dude, righteous! What song do you hear in your head when you think that? - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 23:16:00 (71 views)

The Stone's classic Gimme Shelter was written in the wake of mass murders back then. - rem rehab 2012-07-23 23:39:40 (89 views)

Insofar as the death penalty ultimately serves as a symbolic expression - thizness 2012-07-23 22:55:56 (130 views)

After looking up the definition of expiation, I agree, lol - nate 2012-07-24 11:54:50 (75 views)

How about bin Laden? - buzz 2012-07-24 00:52:39 (89 views)

Yeah I'm not in love with his assassination and I'll admit - thizness 2012-07-24 09:00:17 (84 views)

I am a little put off that they assassinated him instead of capture - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-24 07:17:45 (80 views)

So unique situations exist? - buzz 2012-07-24 11:53:42 (66 views)

Your first reasonable take would be an example of one. - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-24 18:12:12 (65 views)

YOUR FACE is unreasonable - buzz 2012-07-24 23:31:56 (54 views)

+1 - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 22:58:57 (98 views)

Re: +1 - thizness 2012-07-23 23:13:54 (98 views)

Do you and David Garland think that society believes it's symbolic? - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 23:23:22 (94 views)

I suspect that Garland would say something like symbols lose - thizness 2012-07-23 23:32:09 (84 views)

So, if society realized they were worshipping a false idol they would back - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 23:48:07 (76 views)

It's not so much a false idol that people worship in the death penalty - thizness 2012-07-24 00:31:43 (70 views)

Pardon me but "there is nothing false about the staging of solidarity" sounds like a big - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-24 11:00:03 (74 views)

I can see how my choice of words was a bit confused. - thizness 2012-07-24 16:55:24 (58 views)

But you raise an interesting point- - thizness 2012-07-23 23:38:31 (86 views)

Yeow, just what I was thinking about below. - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 23:50:33 (73 views)

well said, agree. - playmaker 2012-07-23 22:57:34 (70 views)

+1 - nomad 2012-07-23 23:04:04 (73 views)

I'm just pissed they arrested him like that - dc 2012-07-23 22:27:21 (102 views)

So, for economic reasons we should screw the justice system - nate 2012-07-24 11:52:50 (70 views)

Did you miss the part where he had full body armor, ballistic helmet, and neck guard? - bongo 2012-07-24 11:50:35 (73 views)

Everybody's horrified by what he did but they would do the same to him? - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 22:41:30 (93 views)

He was not shooting a theatre full of malevolent psycho killers. - rem rehab 2012-07-23 23:49:46 (85 views)

Waste of money and time - Hoser 2012-07-23 21:18:40 (106 views)

Any time and money spent on this dude is wasted from this point forward - buzz 2012-07-23 22:07:20 (99 views)

Still cheaper than death penalty - Hoser 2012-07-23 22:17:34 (87 views)

Only because we make it that way - buzz 2012-07-24 00:51:52 (75 views)

No, it's so stupidly expensive and sometimes fatally wrong to pursue that end. - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 20:56:32 (105 views)

You think they got the wrong guy? - buzz 2012-07-23 22:06:34 (92 views)

As a policy in general, the death penalty should be abolished, imo. - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 22:11:18 (98 views)

I don't care if it's a deterrent or not. Fuck this guy. - Flashfire 2012-07-23 21:10:05 (78 views)

One minute it's clearly a mental health issue, next it's not. - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 21:17:09 (106 views)

Stop being a pussy.. - Captain Hindsight 2012-07-23 21:44:09 (87 views)

If someone kills him, it would make sense. But, I have no need to kill him myself (via death plty) - nate 2012-07-24 11:49:01 (64 views)

Oh, OK. "All I can do"? "Emo" is polite for fuckin stupid, actually. - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 21:50:21 (88 views)

Dude, every one of your posts is premised around complainig, about others who are complaining. - Captain Hindsight 2012-07-23 21:57:02 (92 views)

No, disputing others who are complaining. You called me a pussy, remember? - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 22:07:26 (101 views)

That's the second time you've compared me to this guy. - Captain Hindsight 2012-07-23 22:20:46 (91 views)

Both pro murder? - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 22:24:39 (80 views)

He planned and executed a mass murder. I don't care what happens to him. You've got to be - Captain Hindsight 2012-07-23 22:27:51 (86 views)

I understand your POV, I just don't agree with it. In fact, I think it's morally wrong. - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 22:33:28 (90 views)

Of course. He and the Giffords shooter. - gsw_hoops 2012-07-23 20:53:19 (81 views)

I am way more prone to let that other dude do the insanity defense - buzz 2012-07-23 22:15:08 (100 views)

Wait a minute! Even though he shot a progressive? - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-07-23 20:59:15 (90 views)

I'm usually not one for the death penalty either. - Captain Hindsight 2012-07-23 20:51:41 (88 views)

+1 - Thelonious Dunk 2012-07-23 20:15:50 (97 views)

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