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Puritanical conceptions of good and evil, of the need for expiation
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Posted by thizness on 2012-06-19 13:36:14

In Reply to: The first page of The Scarlet Letter pretty much nails it, imo. posted by altamont on 2012-06-19 13:26:18

are absolutely evident within our criminal justice system. At the same time though, I think we really need to understand the character of the prison system- its vastness, its bias, its obsession above all with retribution- as it stands today is a relatively recent phenomenon. In the 1950s American prisons were held up as a model of progressive justice. The historical perspective you are offering is valuable, but only in so far as it does not collapse the history of the recent past.

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One day Americans are going to look back at prison like we look back at slavery today. - live 2012-06-19 12:46:13 (110 views)

There are a lot of people out there in favor of Jail reform, and the topic is being discussesd - Captain Hindsight 2012-06-20 13:40:41 (52 views)

I think your subject line is spot on but why do you say "even the best among us don't care"? You - BackseatGM 2012-06-19 21:32:59 (55 views)

I care, we care, but we're not doing anything about it. - live 2012-06-20 10:53:56 (33 views)

the second anyone touches the issue, it has to be - we need to get tough on criminals - DC Warrior 2012-06-20 11:16:24 (56 views)

California never recovered from Rose Bird - Dick Nikon 2012-06-20 13:39:57 (29 views)

well..still don't care enough - Fred 2012-06-20 02:14:58 (27 views)

more - Krieger 2012-06-19 15:47:59 (41 views)

Outstanding summary lecture on the subject by the leading scholar on the new penality - thizness 2012-06-19 20:19:51 (40 views)

More. - live 2012-06-19 15:13:28 (36 views)

Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome - playmaker 2012-06-19 14:02:38 (46 views)

The actual book... - playmaker 2012-06-19 14:03:57 (38 views)

plus, what is it that actually stops people from doing crime? - DC Warrior 2012-06-19 13:41:48 (42 views)

It's called teh broken-windows theory. Its a good idea to clean up the city and make it look nice - Captain Hindsight 2012-06-20 13:45:00 (34 views)

Re: financial crimes. I'm a big believer in public shaming. - nomad 2012-06-19 14:23:21 (47 views)

I think you have to find ways to remove the "everybody does it" - DC Warrior 2012-06-19 15:17:34 (48 views)

Yes. - nomad 2012-06-19 15:28:07 (35 views)

+1 - Max 2012-06-19 13:21:25 (61 views)

Agree 100%. - altamont 2012-06-19 13:13:19 (84 views)

I spent 5 days in a military prison - it was hell. - Fred 2012-06-20 02:13:29 (26 views)

Agree with your main point, but the expansion of the carceral complex in this country - thizness 2012-06-19 13:10:42 (80 views)

neoliberal leviathan? I thought it was law and order Republicans - DC Warrior 2012-06-19 13:35:03 (58 views)

By neoliberal I don't mean something like left liberal - thizness 2012-06-19 13:39:00 (63 views)

neoliberal is often used to describe "free trade" of the labor cost advantage type - CARTIERFROHAWK 2012-06-19 18:33:44 (32 views)

That may be a technically accurate term but most people will misunderstand - DC Warrior 2012-06-19 13:43:15 (56 views)

Most people have no idea what they mean by conservative or liberal - thizness 2012-06-19 13:53:08 (59 views)

Those terms have no meaning at all any more. - Earl j. Slick 2012-06-19 16:08:19 (52 views)

It's a reference to ideas from different worlds (duality in meaning). Politics/State vs. Economics. - Fred 2012-06-20 02:25:00 (26 views)

You're such a libservative. Or is it consiberal? - nomad 2012-06-19 16:25:12 (39 views)

I'm beginning to embrace fuckallofthemism - Earl j. Slick 2012-06-19 17:36:59 (31 views)

Put. Your. Bentham. On. Your. Head. Step. Away. From. The. Foucault. - altamont 2012-06-19 13:14:33 (38 views)

Ha- quite the opposite in fact - thizness 2012-06-19 13:21:57 (62 views)

The first page of The Scarlet Letter pretty much nails it, imo. - altamont 2012-06-19 13:26:18 (78 views)

Puritanical conceptions of good and evil, of the need for expiation - thizness 2012-06-19 13:36:14 (50 views)

It does seem that the concept of rehabilitation has been abandoned - nomad 2012-06-19 13:53:29 (51 views)

Absolutely. When you look at the political rhetoric of the 1980s - thizness 2012-06-19 14:07:06 (52 views)

Agree. And that's some horrible stuff in that article. Don't read with lunch. - nomad 2012-06-19 12:58:50 (38 views)

Which makes me seem callous... but I will add: - nomad 2012-06-19 13:07:18 (53 views)

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