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I don't take the religious angle. Marriage, from the beginning
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Posted by gsw_hoops on 2012-05-09 16:41:12

In Reply to: in my perspective... posted by SHAUNsense on 2012-05-09 14:10:40

of its existence, has been as a union between a man and a woman. A family comes from the result of the marriage.

Now, people will start throwing shit out there about the weirdo Romans and Greek marrying their little slave boys or whatever (DC Warrior, there's your cue), and then one of you will cite some stat of 50% of marriages failing, followed by some other meaningless "but".

The truth still remains that as imperfect as we are, marriage between a man and a woman is an age old tradition meant to help keep societies together and functioning.

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Thread:

Obama says gay marriage should be legal. - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 12:39:22 (150 views)

Local right wing Radio guy...okay with Gay Marraige. - rem rehab 2012-05-12 06:29:35 (82 views)

More states allow bestiality than gay marriage - nomad 2012-05-09 19:41:27 (159 views)

Only Hetero-Beastiality..... - Snake Plyskyn 2012-05-10 13:45:06 (77 views)

Thirty states voted against gay marriage, including CA...twice - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 20:14:47 (112 views)

lots of states voted against interracial marriage, once upon a time. - The Big Rebounder 2012-05-09 20:44:45 (85 views)

*sigh* It means that the support is not there yet. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-10 05:06:14 (94 views)

So you would have been against civil rights at the time? The support certainly was not there - The Big Rebounder 2012-05-10 23:02:04 (70 views)

he was on his little feet, screaming at the television in rage. - bongo 2012-05-11 16:20:01 (67 views)

exactly - Lefty 2012-05-09 21:43:02 (96 views)

About time. He needs to energize the base. In political terms, the timing is masterful. - altamont 2012-05-09 13:32:27 (175 views)

Desperate move due to the last couple of days. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 16:18:07 (148 views)

Yeah, the whole repealing don't ask don't tell and telling the DOJ not to enforce DOMA was all - The Big Rebounder 2012-05-09 21:07:21 (93 views)

You are aware, I presume, that George W Bush does not personally oppose gay marriage? - altamont 2012-05-09 21:05:09 (101 views)

And what difference does that make? - gsw_hoops 2012-05-10 05:02:54 (69 views)

Sorta like your new I love Romney and Ron Paul should get behind him stance? - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-09 18:45:46 (120 views)

Yeah. Getting behind the primary winner for the general - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 18:52:43 (110 views)

LOL. Pot call kettle black. Harsh. - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-10 09:08:18 (92 views)

LOL TRENDSETTER!! - Krieger 2012-05-09 19:53:58 (103 views)

Your wife looks like a wildebeast. I am anti beastiality - extremely developed tentacles 2012-05-09 16:37:48 (138 views)

LOL - Flashfire 2012-05-09 16:28:09 (111 views)

Here's a quote you might like... friend posted on fb today - buzz 2012-05-09 14:43:14 (167 views)

excellent - jtown 2012-05-09 20:07:57 (111 views)

Depends on what a million moderates in purple states think - buzz 2012-05-09 14:29:34 (131 views)

I guess it's not obvious to me how the move plays out politically. - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 14:22:49 (126 views)

Pretty sure I just saw polling which said independents are ~58% in favor - dude 2012-05-09 14:25:36 (109 views)

Maybe Obama did too! - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 14:29:33 (123 views)

+1. Heard people say "too little too late," when I talked to them about it at work... - Method 2012-05-09 14:22:20 (119 views)

in my perspective... - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 14:10:40 (170 views)

I don't take the religious angle. Marriage, from the beginning - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 16:41:12 (145 views)

Here is a scholarly book showing how full of shit your position on this is: - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-10 16:39:10 (82 views)

Yeah, all that history and fact should be disregarded and we should all take your word for it. - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-09 18:48:11 (133 views)

We fought a war and lost >1,000,000 over slavery - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 18:55:22 (108 views)

It sure was. I'm glad you admitted it. - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-10 00:15:18 (83 views)

lol and your side lost that war - Krieger 2012-05-09 19:15:33 (90 views)

Check your history book again Sherlock. The North won. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 20:16:17 (97 views)

You are West Virginian in spirit. - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-10 14:02:01 (79 views)

Are you suggesting that we need to kill all you backward fucks - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-09 19:12:38 (115 views)

LOL - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-10 08:06:26 (102 views)

Just wait out the old people... the age demographics are startling. - nate 2012-05-09 20:36:55 (102 views)

Go ahead and try if you like being outnumbered in a fight. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 20:17:01 (109 views)

That's still in effect.. nothing here stops men and women from marrying into stable relationship - BrownAcid 2012-05-09 17:57:40 (109 views)

Try and stay on track. Being "cute" isn't your forte' - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 18:19:08 (97 views)

In your opinion. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:33:39 (105 views)

If all people were that wishy washy we'd have no society at all. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 18:15:03 (122 views)

Interesting... - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:06:54 (92 views)

It stuck around because marriage and procreation were tightly linked. - nate 2012-05-09 20:35:38 (97 views)

Yes, the fabric of society is unraveling. Three cheers! - gsw_hoops 2012-05-10 05:07:45 (78 views)

Marriage was, even earlier, about ownership. - nate 2012-05-11 08:48:50 (60 views)

LOFL - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-10 15:57:29 (71 views)

even in the olden days, no one said anything if an older couple got married - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 22:29:37 (71 views)

We should encourage long term stable relationships - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-09 17:28:13 (107 views)

Do you think people choose to be gay? - playmaker 2012-05-09 16:18:42 (119 views)

Re: Do you think people choose to be gay? - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:04:38 (88 views)

actually, that's not answering the question. - bongo 2012-05-11 16:50:45 (56 views)

So, by what measure do you decide that some books were not written by humans? - bongo 2012-05-09 15:53:49 (147 views)

Good post. - nomad 2012-05-10 21:23:03 (52 views)

been thinking about this issue - you have to dig to find quotes on homosexuality - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 14:23:18 (144 views)

... - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 14:37:57 (150 views)

thoughts on this piece that has been floating around? - shikantaza 2012-05-09 15:38:40 (135 views)

Just read it. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:31:28 (106 views)

More dietary rules in the Bible, iirc - will God judge you harshly if you don't keep kosher? - nomad 2012-05-09 15:02:51 (141 views)

Because the bible is taken as a whole. Not in isolated bits. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 15:33:10 (156 views)

btw... what are your feelings on wealth and capitalism? - shikantaza 2012-05-09 15:57:42 (114 views)

I am very "liberal" in that sense. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:29:18 (123 views)

Thanks for the time, but that reads as rather incoherent - nomad 2012-05-09 15:56:46 (116 views)

Because the law always had a point. It had a role and a place. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:26:44 (114 views)

I find it somewhat interesting, but don't accept the fundamental assumption - nomad 2012-05-11 18:53:15 (56 views)

no, but YOU cited isolated bits to support your argument - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 15:53:51 (134 views)

well, I said my point was in short. A fuller treatment of course is possible - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:24:05 (110 views)

log / splinter, was that a parable? - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 18:39:36 (103 views)

yes it was a parable: - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:15:24 (87 views)

quite frankly, your linked post makes no logical sense whatsoever - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 21:58:21 (110 views)

ok - SHAUNsense 2012-05-10 06:33:38 (98 views)

it's still unsupported and illogical - DC Warrior 2012-05-10 13:20:19 (72 views)

well... - SHAUNsense 2012-05-10 17:56:09 (67 views)

you realize your argument boils down to "trust me"? - DC Warrior 2012-05-11 06:16:14 (67 views)

Glib? - SHAUNsense 2012-05-11 06:36:03 (58 views)

well, when you say that Christians think something you aren't speaking for yourself any longer - DC Warrior 2012-05-11 11:14:54 (72 views)

Not at all - SHAUNsense 2012-05-11 16:12:32 (55 views)

Neither male nor female... - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-10 07:30:44 (103 views)

why are some codes but not other specific to Israel? What's to separate it from homosexuality? - shikantaza 2012-05-09 15:42:38 (149 views)

well... - shikantaza 2012-05-09 15:54:39 (112 views)

thanks...you saved me some citations :) - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:19:20 (102 views)

I've always heard that change couched as part of the new covenant, though not clear why - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 15:18:35 (125 views)

I'm a little unclear on what you're saying, do you think it should be illegal? - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 14:19:22 (127 views)

Re: I'm a little unclear on what you're saying, do you think it should be illegal? - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 14:25:17 (129 views)

Bible says homosexuality is wrong, but doesn't say anything about gay marriage, right? - nate 2012-05-09 16:46:39 (111 views)

I agree to an extent - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:44:38 (104 views)

Thanks - nate 2012-05-09 20:48:11 (84 views)

Well, I think Priests should marry - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:20:14 (110 views)

the only problem with the scripture only approach - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 22:02:47 (84 views)

Well, those codified books - SHAUNsense 2012-05-10 06:45:03 (81 views)

yes, they were well regarded but they were not the ONLY well-regarded books - DC Warrior 2012-05-10 13:27:00 (88 views)

I don't think laws are based out of morality today - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 18:43:43 (117 views)

Well, I suppose there would be some idea of what constituted order - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:22:16 (87 views)

they are both. They are immoral in most systems of thought and - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 22:03:40 (77 views)

hey, law school IS an option... - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 17:02:18 (112 views)

lol, no. - nate 2012-05-09 20:27:08 (99 views)

I'm hoping that this is followed by some sort of leadership on climate (obviously)... - shikantaza 2012-05-09 14:07:19 (136 views)

Only shot is if they retake the House... but it would get framed as a jobkiller - buzz 2012-05-09 14:36:16 (108 views)

Clearly a political move but good for him anyway...still a huge proclamation. - live 2012-05-09 14:03:39 (133 views)

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