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I'm hoping that this is followed by some sort of leadership on climate (obviously)...
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Posted by shikantaza on 2012-05-09 14:07:19

In Reply to: About time. He needs to energize the base. In political terms, the timing is masterful. posted by altamont on 2012-05-09 13:32:27

word is that Kerry might introduce a bill. I'd expect that there's no hope of it passing, but I really think the topic needs to be discussed. Democrats are worried about it hurting their election chances, but we need some leadership on the issue, and we're getting none.

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Obama says gay marriage should be legal. - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 12:39:22 (150 views)

Local right wing Radio guy...okay with Gay Marraige. - rem rehab 2012-05-12 06:29:35 (83 views)

More states allow bestiality than gay marriage - nomad 2012-05-09 19:41:27 (159 views)

Only Hetero-Beastiality..... - Snake Plyskyn 2012-05-10 13:45:06 (77 views)

Thirty states voted against gay marriage, including CA...twice - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 20:14:47 (113 views)

lots of states voted against interracial marriage, once upon a time. - The Big Rebounder 2012-05-09 20:44:45 (86 views)

*sigh* It means that the support is not there yet. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-10 05:06:14 (95 views)

So you would have been against civil rights at the time? The support certainly was not there - The Big Rebounder 2012-05-10 23:02:04 (70 views)

he was on his little feet, screaming at the television in rage. - bongo 2012-05-11 16:20:01 (68 views)

exactly - Lefty 2012-05-09 21:43:02 (97 views)

About time. He needs to energize the base. In political terms, the timing is masterful. - altamont 2012-05-09 13:32:27 (175 views)

Desperate move due to the last couple of days. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 16:18:07 (149 views)

Yeah, the whole repealing don't ask don't tell and telling the DOJ not to enforce DOMA was all - The Big Rebounder 2012-05-09 21:07:21 (94 views)

You are aware, I presume, that George W Bush does not personally oppose gay marriage? - altamont 2012-05-09 21:05:09 (101 views)

And what difference does that make? - gsw_hoops 2012-05-10 05:02:54 (69 views)

Sorta like your new I love Romney and Ron Paul should get behind him stance? - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-09 18:45:46 (121 views)

Yeah. Getting behind the primary winner for the general - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 18:52:43 (111 views)

LOL. Pot call kettle black. Harsh. - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-10 09:08:18 (92 views)

LOL TRENDSETTER!! - Krieger 2012-05-09 19:53:58 (103 views)

Your wife looks like a wildebeast. I am anti beastiality - extremely developed tentacles 2012-05-09 16:37:48 (138 views)

LOL - Flashfire 2012-05-09 16:28:09 (111 views)

Here's a quote you might like... friend posted on fb today - buzz 2012-05-09 14:43:14 (168 views)

excellent - jtown 2012-05-09 20:07:57 (111 views)

Depends on what a million moderates in purple states think - buzz 2012-05-09 14:29:34 (132 views)

I guess it's not obvious to me how the move plays out politically. - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 14:22:49 (128 views)

Pretty sure I just saw polling which said independents are ~58% in favor - dude 2012-05-09 14:25:36 (109 views)

Maybe Obama did too! - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 14:29:33 (123 views)

+1. Heard people say "too little too late," when I talked to them about it at work... - Method 2012-05-09 14:22:20 (120 views)

in my perspective... - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 14:10:40 (172 views)

I don't take the religious angle. Marriage, from the beginning - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 16:41:12 (146 views)

Here is a scholarly book showing how full of shit your position on this is: - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-10 16:39:10 (83 views)

Yeah, all that history and fact should be disregarded and we should all take your word for it. - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-09 18:48:11 (135 views)

We fought a war and lost >1,000,000 over slavery - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 18:55:22 (109 views)

It sure was. I'm glad you admitted it. - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-10 00:15:18 (83 views)

lol and your side lost that war - Krieger 2012-05-09 19:15:33 (90 views)

Check your history book again Sherlock. The North won. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 20:16:17 (98 views)

You are West Virginian in spirit. - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-10 14:02:01 (80 views)

Are you suggesting that we need to kill all you backward fucks - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-09 19:12:38 (116 views)

LOL - Earl j. Slick 2012-05-10 08:06:26 (102 views)

Just wait out the old people... the age demographics are startling. - nate 2012-05-09 20:36:55 (102 views)

Go ahead and try if you like being outnumbered in a fight. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 20:17:01 (110 views)

That's still in effect.. nothing here stops men and women from marrying into stable relationship - BrownAcid 2012-05-09 17:57:40 (109 views)

Try and stay on track. Being "cute" isn't your forte' - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 18:19:08 (97 views)

In your opinion. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:33:39 (105 views)

If all people were that wishy washy we'd have no society at all. - gsw_hoops 2012-05-09 18:15:03 (122 views)

Interesting... - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:06:54 (92 views)

It stuck around because marriage and procreation were tightly linked. - nate 2012-05-09 20:35:38 (97 views)

Yes, the fabric of society is unraveling. Three cheers! - gsw_hoops 2012-05-10 05:07:45 (78 views)

Marriage was, even earlier, about ownership. - nate 2012-05-11 08:48:50 (60 views)

LOFL - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-10 15:57:29 (72 views)

even in the olden days, no one said anything if an older couple got married - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 22:29:37 (71 views)

We should encourage long term stable relationships - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-09 17:28:13 (107 views)

Do you think people choose to be gay? - playmaker 2012-05-09 16:18:42 (119 views)

Re: Do you think people choose to be gay? - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:04:38 (88 views)

actually, that's not answering the question. - bongo 2012-05-11 16:50:45 (57 views)

So, by what measure do you decide that some books were not written by humans? - bongo 2012-05-09 15:53:49 (149 views)

Good post. - nomad 2012-05-10 21:23:03 (52 views)

been thinking about this issue - you have to dig to find quotes on homosexuality - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 14:23:18 (144 views)

... - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 14:37:57 (150 views)

thoughts on this piece that has been floating around? - shikantaza 2012-05-09 15:38:40 (135 views)

Just read it. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:31:28 (106 views)

More dietary rules in the Bible, iirc - will God judge you harshly if you don't keep kosher? - nomad 2012-05-09 15:02:51 (143 views)

Because the bible is taken as a whole. Not in isolated bits. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 15:33:10 (158 views)

btw... what are your feelings on wealth and capitalism? - shikantaza 2012-05-09 15:57:42 (115 views)

I am very "liberal" in that sense. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:29:18 (123 views)

Thanks for the time, but that reads as rather incoherent - nomad 2012-05-09 15:56:46 (117 views)

Because the law always had a point. It had a role and a place. - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:26:44 (115 views)

I find it somewhat interesting, but don't accept the fundamental assumption - nomad 2012-05-11 18:53:15 (56 views)

no, but YOU cited isolated bits to support your argument - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 15:53:51 (134 views)

well, I said my point was in short. A fuller treatment of course is possible - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:24:05 (111 views)

log / splinter, was that a parable? - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 18:39:36 (104 views)

yes it was a parable: - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:15:24 (89 views)

quite frankly, your linked post makes no logical sense whatsoever - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 21:58:21 (120 views)

ok - SHAUNsense 2012-05-10 06:33:38 (100 views)

it's still unsupported and illogical - DC Warrior 2012-05-10 13:20:19 (75 views)

well... - SHAUNsense 2012-05-10 17:56:09 (69 views)

you realize your argument boils down to "trust me"? - DC Warrior 2012-05-11 06:16:14 (68 views)

Glib? - SHAUNsense 2012-05-11 06:36:03 (58 views)

well, when you say that Christians think something you aren't speaking for yourself any longer - DC Warrior 2012-05-11 11:14:54 (72 views)

Not at all - SHAUNsense 2012-05-11 16:12:32 (55 views)

Neither male nor female... - gribble the mispost master 2012-05-10 07:30:44 (103 views)

why are some codes but not other specific to Israel? What's to separate it from homosexuality? - shikantaza 2012-05-09 15:42:38 (150 views)

well... - shikantaza 2012-05-09 15:54:39 (112 views)

thanks...you saved me some citations :) - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:19:20 (102 views)

I've always heard that change couched as part of the new covenant, though not clear why - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 15:18:35 (125 views)

I'm a little unclear on what you're saying, do you think it should be illegal? - fanofnothing 2012-05-09 14:19:22 (128 views)

Re: I'm a little unclear on what you're saying, do you think it should be illegal? - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 14:25:17 (131 views)

Bible says homosexuality is wrong, but doesn't say anything about gay marriage, right? - nate 2012-05-09 16:46:39 (112 views)

I agree to an extent - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 17:44:38 (104 views)

Thanks - nate 2012-05-09 20:48:11 (84 views)

Well, I think Priests should marry - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:20:14 (110 views)

the only problem with the scripture only approach - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 22:02:47 (85 views)

Well, those codified books - SHAUNsense 2012-05-10 06:45:03 (81 views)

yes, they were well regarded but they were not the ONLY well-regarded books - DC Warrior 2012-05-10 13:27:00 (89 views)

I don't think laws are based out of morality today - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 18:43:43 (118 views)

Well, I suppose there would be some idea of what constituted order - SHAUNsense 2012-05-09 21:22:16 (89 views)

they are both. They are immoral in most systems of thought and - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 22:03:40 (78 views)

hey, law school IS an option... - DC Warrior 2012-05-09 17:02:18 (112 views)

lol, no. - nate 2012-05-09 20:27:08 (100 views)

I'm hoping that this is followed by some sort of leadership on climate (obviously)... - shikantaza 2012-05-09 14:07:19 (138 views)

Only shot is if they retake the House... but it would get framed as a jobkiller - buzz 2012-05-09 14:36:16 (109 views)

Clearly a political move but good for him anyway...still a huge proclamation. - live 2012-05-09 14:03:39 (133 views)

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