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There will be a rise in prices either way, best if it's for something with a future
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Posted by nomad on 2012-04-26 16:58:57

In Reply to: 1) You have companies competing with each other to develop posted by gsw_hoops on 2012-04-26 13:03:04

And for those who hope to do it all without any government help, you might consider the fact that fossil fuels have had subsidies for a very long time, and that the apparently very cheap cost of coal (for instance) would be much higher without said subsidies, and if the cost of cleanup were factored in.

I even read recently that the true cost of solar may actually be less than coal now... (Believe I posted the article here a few months ago.)

Oh, and not all alternatives are equal. Hydro can never supply all our needs, for example, and even wind is problematic. Others are much further off.
Not that we shouldn't use those that work, as we do now... but to fully replace fossil fuels, the sun is the best bet, for many reasons.

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Clean energy lag means world is headed for 6-degree-Celsius temperature rise, says IEA - shikantaza 2012-04-26 09:39:38 (98 views)

So many reasons to transition asap, but money trumps everything - nomad 2012-04-26 09:48:31 (81 views)

Transition to what? Even if you believe all that mumbo-jumbo - gsw_hoops 2012-04-26 10:26:38 (103 views)

People who think like you are the reason we didn't transition years ago. - Earl j. Slick 2012-04-26 19:24:13 (89 views)

LMAO! You people live in fantasyland. - gsw_hoops 2012-04-27 13:49:51 (68 views)

Re: LMAO! You people live in fantasyland. - Max 2012-04-28 17:34:18 (53 views)

Thanking you for demonstrating exactly what I was talking about. - Earl j. Slick 2012-04-27 18:50:12 (60 views)

LOFL - gribble the mispost master 2012-04-27 15:00:42 (62 views)

STeam is all we'll ever have to power engines! - Earl j. Slick 2012-04-27 18:52:46 (57 views)

"hmmm, let's see..." <looks out window> "yup, still flat." - bongo 2012-05-01 15:13:12 (45 views)

Re: Transition to what? Even if you believe all that mumbo-jumbo - shikantaza 2012-04-26 15:37:42 (84 views)

Therein lies the problem - ajbry 2012-04-26 19:16:43 (89 views)

you're in your 50s/60s and you've never been outside of the US. pardon me if i don't believe you wrt - jtown 2012-04-26 14:50:36 (94 views)

LOL @ "mumbo jumbo." And passive-aggressive "even if you believe" concession duly noted. - altamont 2012-04-26 14:25:16 (67 views)

To renewable energy sources. And to wait until we can totally replace fossil fuels would be crazy - nomad 2012-04-26 12:11:28 (96 views)

1) You have companies competing with each other to develop - gsw_hoops 2012-04-26 13:03:04 (102 views)

why would they compete if there is no market for it? - DC Warrior 2012-04-27 10:29:10 (61 views)

Umm, you MAKE a market. Was there a plastic market before plastics? - gsw_hoops 2012-04-27 14:14:11 (57 views)

WHO makes the market? Korea made a market in steel by subsidizing their industry - DC Warrior 2012-04-27 15:42:55 (62 views)

Apple invented the iPad. They MADE a market out of nothing. - gsw_hoops 2012-04-27 16:25:28 (61 views)

The market makes lots of things but not everything - DC Warrior 2012-04-28 10:54:21 (58 views)

There will be a rise in prices either way, best if it's for something with a future - nomad 2012-04-26 16:58:57 (123 views)

Yeah, maybe for now, But what about when the sun stops shining? What then, hunh? - gribble the mispost master 2012-04-26 19:15:56 (67 views)

MORE LOFL - gribble the mispost master 2012-04-26 15:31:12 (94 views)

why would you slowly implement it if it is a total replacement you can implement without missing a - shikantaza 2012-04-26 15:38:37 (86 views)

Well, it depends on who is president, now, doesn't it? - Earl j. Slick 2012-04-27 08:43:48 (53 views)

From what I've seen it depends on who runs the House. - BackseatGM 2012-04-27 11:45:05 (54 views)

domestic trouble? - bongo 2012-04-27 13:16:44 (51 views)

Oh hell no. I know who runs MY house and it ain't up for vote every 2 years, lol. - BackseatGM 2012-04-27 14:05:50 (49 views)

I mean, really - Flashfire 2012-04-26 15:36:08 (84 views)

because that's what old codgers do lol - jtown 2012-04-26 16:04:14 (75 views)

You need to get off blaming his takes on his age. I've already given you your mulligan on this. - BackseatGM 2012-04-26 21:57:11 (78 views)

Hey. - Earl j. Slick 2012-04-26 19:25:36 (82 views)

LOFL - gribble the mispost master 2012-04-26 11:57:17 (88 views)

Back to the usual all-or-nothing, black-and-white world he lives in - Flashfire 2012-04-26 14:32:12 (73 views)

You and other climate change deniers would have been on the side of the Church vs Galileo - playmaker 2012-04-26 11:06:11 (91 views)

You must be proud of your streak of never answering a question - gsw_hoops 2012-04-26 11:45:20 (89 views)

If the Tories were still a party, you'd be one. - Earl j. Slick 2012-04-26 19:26:51 (57 views)

As I'm sure your relatives were Loyalists, - gsw_hoops 2012-04-27 16:26:41 (60 views)

Right. - Earl j. Slick 2012-04-27 18:55:03 (57 views)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA - Flashfire 2012-04-26 14:31:07 (61 views)

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