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that's a nice, pithy comment but does it stand up?
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Posted by DC Warrior on 2012-04-04 09:50:49

In Reply to: blowing up innocent Iraqis is not necessary for the above result posted by shikantaza on 2012-04-04 09:32:55

What would have happened if Gulf War I had not happened and we did not respond after Saddam invaded Kuwait? I think Saddam's plan was to go after or at least weaken the Saudis then re-start his war with Iran. Gulf War I made that impossible for Saddam.

Dubya's war was ill-conceived and ill-carried out, mostly due to poor planning at the top.

However, at the time, world political support for sanctions were drying up, France, Germany and Russia were queueing up to scoop up post-sanction oil contracts and Saddam was going to try to rebuild his military from nothing.

What would have happened if we hadn't invaded? I think Iraq would have rebounded and resumed its regional ambitions. I'm not sure who Saddam'd go after, given he would be well aware of what we could do to his military, but he might have tried more cover methods to get his way. Would there be a war between Saddam and one of his neighbors by now? Good question.

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Graph on the waning of warfare, aka why Americans are self-absorbed dumbfucks, part 1,283,220 - buzz 2012-04-04 01:02:41 (137 views)

Couple of points: the nature of war has changed - more army vs. army, fewer civilian - nomad 2012-04-04 11:43:44 (62 views)

When I commanded Guard Post Ouellette in '89 - slipup 2012-04-05 17:31:20 (53 views)

Hiroshima vs targeted drone strikes? - buzz 2012-04-04 13:19:15 (46 views)

Right. - nomad 2012-04-04 13:21:10 (33 views)

Your last point is one I was going to make. Nuclear capabilities changed the rules, or at the very - BackseatGM 2012-04-04 12:03:51 (57 views)

Also, the pay out for any decision maker (single or by committee) is almost always negative - The Earth Ghost 2012-04-05 09:51:31 (41 views)

blowing up innocent Iraqis is not necessary for the above result - shikantaza 2012-04-04 09:32:55 (53 views)

that's a nice, pithy comment but does it stand up? - DC Warrior 2012-04-04 09:50:49 (73 views)

These counter-factuals are difficult... I think the main question we're getting at here - shikantaza 2012-04-04 10:27:18 (73 views)

^missed an important zero before - shikantaza 2012-04-04 11:17:12 (45 views)

Saddam killed >1,000,000 of his own people. That would have - gsw_hoops 2012-04-04 11:08:38 (60 views)

i bet none of those people are included in the graph above. - Chicken 2012-04-05 14:28:28 (47 views)

I don't mean to underestimate how evil Saddam was... he deserved to go... - shikantaza 2012-04-04 11:15:01 (55 views)

and for his being there at all, we were largely responsible. As with OBL, Pinochet, Noriega, Armas.. - bongo 2012-04-04 11:44:34 (48 views)

good point - shikantaza 2012-04-04 11:46:03 (44 views)

Re: These counter-factuals are difficult... I think the main question we're getting at here - DC Warrior 2012-04-04 11:04:10 (59 views)

true... scalpel > sledgehammer in that situation - shikantaza 2012-04-04 11:10:02 (42 views)

Doesn't make sense. WWII was a civil war? Korean conflict in the 50s? - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-04-04 09:03:52 (58 views)

Spain, Greece, etc. had civil wars at about the time WWII was breaking out - gribble the mispost master 2012-04-04 09:16:04 (61 views)

I regards to Africa, are the large number of deaths due to genocide even included in those stats or - BackseatGM 2012-04-04 11:10:59 (58 views)

those examples of yours are very different from one another in terms of orders of magnitude - DC Warrior 2012-04-04 11:18:30 (52 views)

Oh, I know they're different but I just wondered if those types of deaths were included, as well as - BackseatGM 2012-04-04 11:56:39 (50 views)

The Rwandan genocide is probably considered civil strife - shikantaza 2012-04-04 11:19:59 (37 views)

I will agree that America has more than its fair share of self-absorbed dumbfucks, - Cohan sold the Dubz! 2012-04-04 10:20:29 (58 views)

i imagine if the world had been captured by the germans there would have been even less. - Chicken 2012-04-04 02:23:05 (63 views)

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