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as I'm sure you'll agree, it all depends on the facts that can be established
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Posted by Max on 2012-03-29 15:22:19

In Reply to: Well, if you have a witness who corroborates the fact that Martin was on top of him posted by buzz on 2012-03-29 13:47:19

but examine the "he reached for my gun" claim...

GZ had to be able to reach even faster for the gun in that case. As he used it.

The jury will be asked to decide if his use of the gun was reasonable in the situation. What other options did he have?

Let's see...

toss the gun aside

fire the gun as a warning

secure the gun away from Martin's grasp.

I don't know that GZ's fear for his life was reasonable even if Martin reached for his gun. But that will take some extensive argument on both sides to determine. And different juries will likely reach different conclusions.

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Thread:

So the fat slob who didn't stand a chance against Crayzee Niga had been workin' out a little bit. - altamont 2012-03-29 11:38:29 (144 views)

Re: So the fat slob who didn't stand a chance against Crayzee Niga had been workin' out a little bit - gsw_hoops 2012-03-29 16:24:48 (99 views)

Denying racism is the new racism - Hoser 2012-03-29 18:48:42 (66 views)

Crying racism where there is none is DISGUSTING. - gsw_hoops 2012-03-29 20:10:45 (56 views)

You dont think racism exists anymore - Hoser 2012-03-29 20:49:45 (58 views)

Never said that. Never stopped you from lying before though. - gsw_hoops 2012-03-30 16:47:15 (36 views)

Of courde he does... - james jamerson 2012-03-30 07:57:09 (58 views)

pretty much... - bongo 2012-03-30 12:50:41 (33 views)

Zimmerman said "coons" on one of the 911 tapes - Flashfire 2012-03-29 20:41:35 (44 views)

"no...he said "fucking goons" - james jamerson 2012-03-30 08:00:04 (61 views)

maybe - buzz 2012-03-30 02:05:19 (37 views)

Unfortunately there is rarely none. - nomad 2012-03-29 20:19:56 (45 views)

That he stalked and shot an unarmed minor...is the key fact. - rem rehab 2012-03-29 16:22:41 (62 views)

You sound like a complete moron. You make up a story - gsw_hoops 2012-03-29 16:27:13 (66 views)

I guess you missed the part where the 911 op said "stay away" - CARTIERFROHAWK 2012-03-29 19:04:35 (43 views)

No, I didn't miss that part thanks. Go ahead and make up - gsw_hoops 2012-03-30 16:48:30 (36 views)

What the fuck are you on? No question Zimmerman killed an unarmed kid. - rem rehab 2012-03-29 16:34:07 (59 views)

Idiot, you're the one who made up the 'stalking and killing' story, - gsw_hoops 2012-03-29 16:41:19 (59 views)

Zimmerman was on the phone with police, telling them that he was tailing the kid... - Captain Hindsight 2012-03-29 17:14:33 (48 views)

He supposedly left his vehicle long enough to try and get an address, then he came back. - gsw_hoops 2012-03-29 20:12:51 (55 views)

the only reason there's an investigation at all is because people are riled up - Max 2012-03-29 20:22:06 (63 views)

Proof? Thought not.. - gsw_hoops 2012-03-30 16:49:38 (34 views)

use your mind - Max 2012-03-30 18:29:09 (37 views)

Is that true? - buzz 2012-03-30 01:41:57 (44 views)

perhaps some hyperbole on my part, though certainly possible - Max 2012-03-30 14:22:08 (49 views)

lol @ anyone who thinks they are sure they know what happened in that confrontation - dude 2012-03-29 14:38:10 (76 views)

Often...in a murder...the dead guy's side can only be assumed. - rem rehab 2012-03-29 16:50:14 (55 views)

Well, exactly... and that's bad news for the prosecution - buzz 2012-03-29 14:43:14 (72 views)

Of course he is lying - Hoser 2012-03-29 13:59:41 (46 views)

So first he had an insurmountable weight advantage, and now that it was more like 60 pounds, it's... - buzz 2012-03-29 12:42:59 (111 views)

I think there is insurmountable evidence that we can no longer call him "fatty" or "fat fuck" - Thelonious Dunk 2012-03-29 23:15:17 (42 views)

You guys are talking like he is Charles Atlas - buzz 2012-03-30 01:01:08 (55 views)

Whatever, I'm just pretty sure that wasn't a fat fuck I saw in that video.... unfortunately. - Thelonious Dunk 2012-03-30 01:16:23 (54 views)

Does it change your opinion about who you'd rather fight? - buzz 2012-03-30 01:50:16 (49 views)

dude... THE OTHER GUY WEIGHED 140 POUNDS, AND HIS NICKNAME WAS SLIM - Thelonious Dunk 2012-03-30 01:57:15 (52 views)

As far as fighting Martin... you first - buzz 2012-03-30 02:18:25 (39 views)

ugh. - altamont 2012-03-29 12:57:36 (51 views)

Basically, the guy is a 28yo underscore, if he was chubby back then - buzz 2012-03-29 13:01:17 (105 views)

"Was it wrong for him to get whupped for that? No." - Max 2012-03-29 13:10:37 (82 views)

I'm just saying... in life... I have no problem with Zimmerman getting his ass beat - buzz 2012-03-29 13:25:22 (78 views)

I hear you... - Max 2012-03-29 13:33:31 (67 views)

Well, if you have a witness who corroborates the fact that Martin was on top of him - buzz 2012-03-29 13:47:19 (68 views)

as I'm sure you'll agree, it all depends on the facts that can be established - Max 2012-03-29 15:22:19 (61 views)

I think his point is that if the dog then kills the cat... - altamont 2012-03-29 13:15:20 (81 views)

whereas legally the dog owner would absolutely be liable for the death of the cat - Max 2012-03-29 13:17:47 (59 views)

he looks in pretty good shape in that cop vid fwiw - jtown 2012-03-29 13:05:47 (58 views)

WTF are you talking about? lol - live 2012-03-29 13:05:11 (91 views)

Everyone here was saying that Martin could not possibly have beaten him in a fight - buzz 2012-03-29 13:21:06 (89 views)

No one said that, lol - live 2012-03-29 13:39:32 (76 views)

Several people did... go look at the Big Rebounder post that I originally responded to - buzz 2012-03-29 13:44:15 (65 views)

He's part of "no one" - live 2012-03-29 13:51:55 (46 views)

Trollopolis lol - blue 2012-03-29 13:13:20 (52 views)

Rich suburban white boys can't fight - buzz 2012-03-29 13:45:33 (81 views)

just goes to show you how reactionary everyone's been this whole time. dude's in good shape. - jtown 2012-03-29 12:15:15 (82 views)

Which country has a better "the media," iyo? - altamont 2012-03-29 12:58:19 (57 views)

on the flip side, it does appear he was arrested and cuffed - DC Warrior 2012-03-29 12:05:11 (90 views)

Well, the people who are flipping the most have ignored half of the facts of the case - buzz 2012-03-29 12:40:45 (91 views)

We don't even know half the facts in the case and every new "fact", like this video, proves other - BackseatGM 2012-03-29 14:33:56 (54 views)

Then why is the case such a big deal? - buzz 2012-03-29 14:46:02 (48 views)

Lol. You know why the case is a big deal. I'm just saying none of us actually knows shit. There's so - BackseatGM 2012-03-29 20:57:21 (46 views)

No more than you have. - altamont 2012-03-29 12:56:59 (99 views)

False, my take has been that there is significant ambiguity involved here - buzz 2012-03-29 13:16:53 (86 views)

You have made that point. - altamont 2012-03-29 13:25:14 (92 views)

They are obviously not "taking his word for it" - buzz 2012-03-29 13:42:23 (84 views)

Pretty shocked to hear you think that way about race and cops. - altamont 2012-03-29 13:54:30 (80 views)

Once you get up to the level of homicide detective, it's actually pretty clinical - buzz 2012-03-30 01:56:23 (51 views)

"We support neighborhood watch" - Max 2012-03-29 13:03:56 (76 views)

To me, that was the radicalizing element: the police values on display. - altamont 2012-03-29 13:10:26 (80 views)

I think it is clear that they can't stand Zimmerman and want to arrest him - buzz 2012-03-29 13:35:49 (74 views)

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