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Both can lay claim to appointing the most diverse cabinets in history when they took over
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Posted by buzz on 2003-04-03 15:03:36

In Reply to: That's about the best argument that can be made. posted by altamont on 2003-04-03 14:52:04

But that is actually Clinton's progressiveness more than Bush's.

Janet Reno? Madeline Albright?

Powell and Mineta served under both, mind you.

Clinton had a few others like Zoe Baird not able to be confirmed. He really had to FIGHT to get his diverse cabinet, knocking down doors that Bush was able to walk through easily later.

Both should be applauded in that regard. Calling Clinton's cabinet "good old boys" is waaaaaaaaayyyy off-base.

Record numbers of women, minorities and peoples with disabilities served under or were appointed to key positions by Clinton.

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First tidbit... - gsw_hoops 2003-04-03 12:25:02 (276 views)

You disparage leading newspapers from around the world and then post THAT shit? - buzz 2003-04-03 12:50:06 (308 views)

Just as good and reputable as anything YOU'VE ever posted. - gsw_hoops 2003-04-03 14:49:56 (270 views)

Difference between you and a lot of people (myself included) is the ability to... - buzz 2003-04-03 14:55:04 (285 views)

He does see more than one side.. he voted Clinton twice.. lol - Spade 2003-04-03 20:09:29 (340 views)

What does then have to do with now?. That's very stupid and childish. - gsw_hoops 2003-04-04 12:18:28 (237 views)

That's gotta hurt - buzz 2003-04-03 21:09:44 (280 views)

I'm trying to take it easier, but I gotta voice my agreement here. - altamont 2003-04-03 14:59:42 (249 views)

Ah, by the author of a Clinton impeachment fantasy...PRE-Monica. - altamont 2003-04-03 12:30:33 (235 views)

I noticed you conveniently left out people on the other side of the political spectrum that have - Hoops 2003-04-03 12:37:08 (330 views)

Just my perspective, but I think you're wrong on "just as much" - altamont 2003-04-03 12:44:28 (397 views)

History will remember Clinton favorably and view the witch hunt on him with disdain - buzz 2003-04-03 13:00:21 (291 views)

Buahaha!. Man, you're too much. - gsw_hoops 2003-04-03 14:48:22 (293 views)

what's your argument, or should it be self-evident? - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:53:00 (319 views)

Disagree re Clinton. He'll get Rutherford Hayes treatment. Except Monica zilch happened on his watch - manute 2003-04-03 13:15:13 (244 views)

Re: Disagree re Clinton. He'll get Rutherford Hayes treatment. Except Monica zilch happened on his w - Hoops 2003-04-03 13:22:12 (433 views)

Name one president remembered fondly for primarily economic reasons. - altamont 2003-04-03 13:31:14 (373 views)

Remember what happened when Clinton asked the Senate for authority - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:41:06 (260 views)

Re: Name one president remembered fondly for primarily economic reasons. - Hoops 2003-04-03 13:36:00 (362 views)

history will remember everyone in every way, but I don't think Bill *should* be remembered very well - altamont 2003-04-03 13:10:39 (319 views)

I think he'll be seen as a flawed, adept politician of great intelligence who was ahead of his time - buzz 2003-04-03 14:22:41 (368 views)

That's about the best argument that can be made. - altamont 2003-04-03 14:52:04 (430 views)

Both can lay claim to appointing the most diverse cabinets in history when they took over - buzz 2003-04-03 15:03:36 (234 views)

Oh yeah, agreed. I was making a side point in defense of Bush... - altamont 2003-04-03 15:09:24 (333 views)

He deserves credit there, but Albright and Reno were pretty high up in the food chain, no? - buzz 2003-04-03 15:29:29 (395 views)

The Thomas hearings were one of the worst moments in a generation. - altamont 2003-04-03 15:41:09 (298 views)

IMO it WAS a lynching, and now they're doing something similar to Miguel Estrada - manute 2003-04-03 16:31:42 (233 views)

Do you have any idea how many Clinton court appointments got squashed? - altamont 2003-04-03 17:00:34 (233 views)

It all started with the nasty campaign against Bork. - Hoops 2003-04-03 21:38:41 (256 views)

That's true. Although I think it was the height of arrogance to even nominate Bork - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:47:47 (285 views)

There was a proper way to defeat a nomination without the nastiness. - Hoops 2003-04-04 07:36:59 (278 views)

not at the time. Until then, for many years there was the expectation that all nominees were in - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 08:20:37 (385 views)

I'd agree, with any justice Bork is in and Thomas is not - buzz 2003-04-04 00:59:33 (328 views)

Reno and Albright were disastrous because of their own actions - buzz 2003-04-03 15:44:53 (217 views)

Great potential, zero (or near zero) accomplishments. Woodrow Wilson w/o being on WW1 winning side - manute 2003-04-03 14:28:22 (784 views)

Clinton had Wilson's smarts combined with the charisma that JFK was only rumored to have - buzz 2003-04-03 14:40:10 (281 views)

It's all about accomplishments. You list great qualifications, but where are his victories? - altamont 2003-04-03 14:46:32 (239 views)

Like I said, not fitting him for Rushmore, but if you want to lend me that fine-toothed comb... - buzz 2003-04-03 14:51:53 (347 views)

Yes...I think that's the only way to attempt "impartial" judgement. - altamont 2003-04-03 14:58:32 (315 views)

To clarify, you view Bush Sr's presidency more favorably than Reagan's or Clinton's? - buzz 2003-04-03 15:08:20 (219 views)

I am ranking them *personally*, but in a sense, yes. - altamont 2003-04-03 15:21:11 (295 views)

"Are you better off than you were four years ago?" - buzz 2003-04-03 15:42:34 (327 views)

Not sure where you see me as lionizing Bush Jr, but one more shot: - altamont 2003-04-03 15:51:13 (283 views)

How're you crediting the deficit reduction to the two people most responsible for creating it? - buzz 2003-04-03 16:04:51 (218 views)

Okay, here are my assesments, and we can be done if you want. - altamont 2003-04-03 16:15:24 (308 views)

Agree with a lot of that, but before we leave Clinton for good... - buzz 2003-04-03 16:45:24 (297 views)

I agree completely. There are grounds for impeaching every president since Kennedy EXCEPT Bill. - altamont 2003-04-03 16:59:32 (269 views)

Good post. Pres must achieve something BIG to be remembered as a BIG - manute 2003-04-03 13:35:03 (286 views)

History also remembers LBJ's and Nixon's disgraces in Vietnam and Watergate - buzz 2003-04-03 14:33:40 (420 views)

Yep, 5 sentence bios in short histories will include that. Impeachment makes Monica truly important. - manute 2003-04-03 14:40:50 (303 views)

Watergate and Vietnam as footnotes? Monica truly important? - buzz 2003-04-03 14:46:42 (259 views)

Watergate, Vietnam & Impeachment are NOT footnotes, they are BIG & go into 5 sentence biogs. - manute 2003-04-03 14:51:34 (305 views)

Clinton could talk. He was extremely articulate and well spoken - dc 2003-04-03 13:20:16 (236 views)

I would agree that history will view both their times in office favorably. - Hoops 2003-04-03 13:03:55 (283 views)

You forgeting the nastiness that occurred during the Reagan years. - Hoops 2003-04-03 12:55:30 (275 views)

If there was no contract with America - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:51:46 (241 views)

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