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That's about the best argument that can be made.
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Posted by altamont on 2003-04-03 14:52:04

In Reply to: I think he'll be seen as a flawed, adept politician of great intelligence who was ahead of his time posted by buzz on 2003-04-03 14:22:41

(Interestingly, President Bush has built, hands down, the most diverse governing group in American history. Clinton was actually a good old boy in office in the sense that his inner circle was all white boys. Bush's closest advisors are a white woman (Hughes) and a black one (Rice), he has a black secretary of state whom he trusts, etc etc etc.)

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First tidbit... - gsw_hoops 2003-04-03 12:25:02 (276 views)

You disparage leading newspapers from around the world and then post THAT shit? - buzz 2003-04-03 12:50:06 (308 views)

Just as good and reputable as anything YOU'VE ever posted. - gsw_hoops 2003-04-03 14:49:56 (270 views)

Difference between you and a lot of people (myself included) is the ability to... - buzz 2003-04-03 14:55:04 (285 views)

He does see more than one side.. he voted Clinton twice.. lol - Spade 2003-04-03 20:09:29 (340 views)

What does then have to do with now?. That's very stupid and childish. - gsw_hoops 2003-04-04 12:18:28 (237 views)

That's gotta hurt - buzz 2003-04-03 21:09:44 (280 views)

I'm trying to take it easier, but I gotta voice my agreement here. - altamont 2003-04-03 14:59:42 (249 views)

Ah, by the author of a Clinton impeachment fantasy...PRE-Monica. - altamont 2003-04-03 12:30:33 (235 views)

I noticed you conveniently left out people on the other side of the political spectrum that have - Hoops 2003-04-03 12:37:08 (330 views)

Just my perspective, but I think you're wrong on "just as much" - altamont 2003-04-03 12:44:28 (397 views)

History will remember Clinton favorably and view the witch hunt on him with disdain - buzz 2003-04-03 13:00:21 (291 views)

Buahaha!. Man, you're too much. - gsw_hoops 2003-04-03 14:48:22 (293 views)

what's your argument, or should it be self-evident? - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:53:00 (319 views)

Disagree re Clinton. He'll get Rutherford Hayes treatment. Except Monica zilch happened on his watch - manute 2003-04-03 13:15:13 (244 views)

Re: Disagree re Clinton. He'll get Rutherford Hayes treatment. Except Monica zilch happened on his w - Hoops 2003-04-03 13:22:12 (433 views)

Name one president remembered fondly for primarily economic reasons. - altamont 2003-04-03 13:31:14 (373 views)

Remember what happened when Clinton asked the Senate for authority - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:41:06 (260 views)

Re: Name one president remembered fondly for primarily economic reasons. - Hoops 2003-04-03 13:36:00 (362 views)

history will remember everyone in every way, but I don't think Bill *should* be remembered very well - altamont 2003-04-03 13:10:39 (319 views)

I think he'll be seen as a flawed, adept politician of great intelligence who was ahead of his time - buzz 2003-04-03 14:22:41 (368 views)

That's about the best argument that can be made. - altamont 2003-04-03 14:52:04 (429 views)

Both can lay claim to appointing the most diverse cabinets in history when they took over - buzz 2003-04-03 15:03:36 (233 views)

Oh yeah, agreed. I was making a side point in defense of Bush... - altamont 2003-04-03 15:09:24 (333 views)

He deserves credit there, but Albright and Reno were pretty high up in the food chain, no? - buzz 2003-04-03 15:29:29 (395 views)

The Thomas hearings were one of the worst moments in a generation. - altamont 2003-04-03 15:41:09 (298 views)

IMO it WAS a lynching, and now they're doing something similar to Miguel Estrada - manute 2003-04-03 16:31:42 (233 views)

Do you have any idea how many Clinton court appointments got squashed? - altamont 2003-04-03 17:00:34 (233 views)

It all started with the nasty campaign against Bork. - Hoops 2003-04-03 21:38:41 (256 views)

That's true. Although I think it was the height of arrogance to even nominate Bork - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:47:47 (284 views)

There was a proper way to defeat a nomination without the nastiness. - Hoops 2003-04-04 07:36:59 (278 views)

not at the time. Until then, for many years there was the expectation that all nominees were in - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 08:20:37 (385 views)

I'd agree, with any justice Bork is in and Thomas is not - buzz 2003-04-04 00:59:33 (328 views)

Reno and Albright were disastrous because of their own actions - buzz 2003-04-03 15:44:53 (217 views)

Great potential, zero (or near zero) accomplishments. Woodrow Wilson w/o being on WW1 winning side - manute 2003-04-03 14:28:22 (783 views)

Clinton had Wilson's smarts combined with the charisma that JFK was only rumored to have - buzz 2003-04-03 14:40:10 (281 views)

It's all about accomplishments. You list great qualifications, but where are his victories? - altamont 2003-04-03 14:46:32 (239 views)

Like I said, not fitting him for Rushmore, but if you want to lend me that fine-toothed comb... - buzz 2003-04-03 14:51:53 (347 views)

Yes...I think that's the only way to attempt "impartial" judgement. - altamont 2003-04-03 14:58:32 (315 views)

To clarify, you view Bush Sr's presidency more favorably than Reagan's or Clinton's? - buzz 2003-04-03 15:08:20 (219 views)

I am ranking them *personally*, but in a sense, yes. - altamont 2003-04-03 15:21:11 (295 views)

"Are you better off than you were four years ago?" - buzz 2003-04-03 15:42:34 (327 views)

Not sure where you see me as lionizing Bush Jr, but one more shot: - altamont 2003-04-03 15:51:13 (283 views)

How're you crediting the deficit reduction to the two people most responsible for creating it? - buzz 2003-04-03 16:04:51 (218 views)

Okay, here are my assesments, and we can be done if you want. - altamont 2003-04-03 16:15:24 (308 views)

Agree with a lot of that, but before we leave Clinton for good... - buzz 2003-04-03 16:45:24 (297 views)

I agree completely. There are grounds for impeaching every president since Kennedy EXCEPT Bill. - altamont 2003-04-03 16:59:32 (269 views)

Good post. Pres must achieve something BIG to be remembered as a BIG - manute 2003-04-03 13:35:03 (286 views)

History also remembers LBJ's and Nixon's disgraces in Vietnam and Watergate - buzz 2003-04-03 14:33:40 (420 views)

Yep, 5 sentence bios in short histories will include that. Impeachment makes Monica truly important. - manute 2003-04-03 14:40:50 (303 views)

Watergate and Vietnam as footnotes? Monica truly important? - buzz 2003-04-03 14:46:42 (259 views)

Watergate, Vietnam & Impeachment are NOT footnotes, they are BIG & go into 5 sentence biogs. - manute 2003-04-03 14:51:34 (304 views)

Clinton could talk. He was extremely articulate and well spoken - dc 2003-04-03 13:20:16 (236 views)

I would agree that history will view both their times in office favorably. - Hoops 2003-04-03 13:03:55 (283 views)

You forgeting the nastiness that occurred during the Reagan years. - Hoops 2003-04-03 12:55:30 (275 views)

If there was no contract with America - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:51:46 (241 views)

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