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History also remembers LBJ's and Nixon's disgraces in Vietnam and Watergate
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Posted by buzz on 2003-04-03 14:33:40

In Reply to: Good post. Pres must achieve something BIG to be remembered as a BIG posted by manute on 2003-04-03 13:35:03

That stuff is way bigger than Monica.

I'd say Clinton won't be put on Rushmore anytime soon, but that he and Reagan stand alone out of Presidents since Truman.

First tidbit... - gsw_hoops 2003-04-03 12:25:02 (277 views)

You disparage leading newspapers from around the world and then post THAT shit? - buzz 2003-04-03 12:50:06 (309 views)

Just as good and reputable as anything YOU'VE ever posted. - gsw_hoops 2003-04-03 14:49:56 (272 views)

Difference between you and a lot of people (myself included) is the ability to... - buzz 2003-04-03 14:55:04 (287 views)

He does see more than one side.. he voted Clinton twice.. lol - Spade 2003-04-03 20:09:29 (341 views)

What does then have to do with now?. That's very stupid and childish. - gsw_hoops 2003-04-04 12:18:28 (238 views)

That's gotta hurt - buzz 2003-04-03 21:09:44 (282 views)

I'm trying to take it easier, but I gotta voice my agreement here. - altamont 2003-04-03 14:59:42 (250 views)

Ah, by the author of a Clinton impeachment fantasy...PRE-Monica. - altamont 2003-04-03 12:30:33 (238 views)

I noticed you conveniently left out people on the other side of the political spectrum that have - Hoops 2003-04-03 12:37:08 (332 views)

Just my perspective, but I think you're wrong on "just as much" - altamont 2003-04-03 12:44:28 (398 views)

History will remember Clinton favorably and view the witch hunt on him with disdain - buzz 2003-04-03 13:00:21 (291 views)

Buahaha!. Man, you're too much. - gsw_hoops 2003-04-03 14:48:22 (295 views)

what's your argument, or should it be self-evident? - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:53:00 (319 views)

Disagree re Clinton. He'll get Rutherford Hayes treatment. Except Monica zilch happened on his watch - manute 2003-04-03 13:15:13 (246 views)

Re: Disagree re Clinton. He'll get Rutherford Hayes treatment. Except Monica zilch happened on his w - Hoops 2003-04-03 13:22:12 (434 views)

Name one president remembered fondly for primarily economic reasons. - altamont 2003-04-03 13:31:14 (375 views)

Remember what happened when Clinton asked the Senate for authority - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:41:06 (262 views)

Re: Name one president remembered fondly for primarily economic reasons. - Hoops 2003-04-03 13:36:00 (363 views)

history will remember everyone in every way, but I don't think Bill *should* be remembered very well - altamont 2003-04-03 13:10:39 (320 views)

I think he'll be seen as a flawed, adept politician of great intelligence who was ahead of his time - buzz 2003-04-03 14:22:41 (368 views)

That's about the best argument that can be made. - altamont 2003-04-03 14:52:04 (430 views)

Both can lay claim to appointing the most diverse cabinets in history when they took over - buzz 2003-04-03 15:03:36 (236 views)

Oh yeah, agreed. I was making a side point in defense of Bush... - altamont 2003-04-03 15:09:24 (334 views)

He deserves credit there, but Albright and Reno were pretty high up in the food chain, no? - buzz 2003-04-03 15:29:29 (395 views)

The Thomas hearings were one of the worst moments in a generation. - altamont 2003-04-03 15:41:09 (298 views)

IMO it WAS a lynching, and now they're doing something similar to Miguel Estrada - manute 2003-04-03 16:31:42 (234 views)

Do you have any idea how many Clinton court appointments got squashed? - altamont 2003-04-03 17:00:34 (234 views)

It all started with the nasty campaign against Bork. - Hoops 2003-04-03 21:38:41 (257 views)

That's true. Although I think it was the height of arrogance to even nominate Bork - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:47:47 (285 views)

There was a proper way to defeat a nomination without the nastiness. - Hoops 2003-04-04 07:36:59 (280 views)

not at the time. Until then, for many years there was the expectation that all nominees were in - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 08:20:37 (385 views)

I'd agree, with any justice Bork is in and Thomas is not - buzz 2003-04-04 00:59:33 (330 views)

Reno and Albright were disastrous because of their own actions - buzz 2003-04-03 15:44:53 (218 views)

Great potential, zero (or near zero) accomplishments. Woodrow Wilson w/o being on WW1 winning side - manute 2003-04-03 14:28:22 (785 views)

Clinton had Wilson's smarts combined with the charisma that JFK was only rumored to have - buzz 2003-04-03 14:40:10 (283 views)

It's all about accomplishments. You list great qualifications, but where are his victories? - altamont 2003-04-03 14:46:32 (240 views)

Like I said, not fitting him for Rushmore, but if you want to lend me that fine-toothed comb... - buzz 2003-04-03 14:51:53 (347 views)

Yes...I think that's the only way to attempt "impartial" judgement. - altamont 2003-04-03 14:58:32 (316 views)

To clarify, you view Bush Sr's presidency more favorably than Reagan's or Clinton's? - buzz 2003-04-03 15:08:20 (221 views)

I am ranking them *personally*, but in a sense, yes. - altamont 2003-04-03 15:21:11 (295 views)

"Are you better off than you were four years ago?" - buzz 2003-04-03 15:42:34 (327 views)

Not sure where you see me as lionizing Bush Jr, but one more shot: - altamont 2003-04-03 15:51:13 (283 views)

How're you crediting the deficit reduction to the two people most responsible for creating it? - buzz 2003-04-03 16:04:51 (218 views)

Okay, here are my assesments, and we can be done if you want. - altamont 2003-04-03 16:15:24 (309 views)

Agree with a lot of that, but before we leave Clinton for good... - buzz 2003-04-03 16:45:24 (297 views)

I agree completely. There are grounds for impeaching every president since Kennedy EXCEPT Bill. - altamont 2003-04-03 16:59:32 (269 views)

Good post. Pres must achieve something BIG to be remembered as a BIG - manute 2003-04-03 13:35:03 (287 views)

History also remembers LBJ's and Nixon's disgraces in Vietnam and Watergate - buzz 2003-04-03 14:33:40 (421 views)

Yep, 5 sentence bios in short histories will include that. Impeachment makes Monica truly important. - manute 2003-04-03 14:40:50 (305 views)

Watergate and Vietnam as footnotes? Monica truly important? - buzz 2003-04-03 14:46:42 (260 views)

Watergate, Vietnam & Impeachment are NOT footnotes, they are BIG & go into 5 sentence biogs. - manute 2003-04-03 14:51:34 (306 views)

Clinton could talk. He was extremely articulate and well spoken - dc 2003-04-03 13:20:16 (237 views)

I would agree that history will view both their times in office favorably. - Hoops 2003-04-03 13:03:55 (284 views)

You forgeting the nastiness that occurred during the Reagan years. - Hoops 2003-04-03 12:55:30 (277 views)

If there was no contract with America - DC Warrior 2003-04-04 05:51:46 (241 views)

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